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Sensational
11-29-2008, 10:17 AM
I just wanted to add this little guide since there are so many daggers :P

This is a Solo PvP guide, not a mass pvp guide for daggers :)

Your dyes are based on the way you play, the number of your enemies, and your own personallity.

When at solo PvP, dyes which should be prefered are:
+4 CON - 4 STR , +4 DEX - 4 STR and +1 DEX -1 STR
Again, these change based on your own playing style, its best if you experiment with different dye settings to see what you find suits you :)

Armors - S grade: Draconic Light set, S80 - Dynasy leather armor Summoner (ALWAYS) Not dagger master. Summoner Gives the following bonus:

Str-2, Con+2, increase Atk. Spd., MaxHP +492. Increase Darkness Resistance +8, increase P. Atk., P. Def. When all set items are enchanted by 6 or higher, P. Def. and MP regeneration rate will increase

Dagger master:

Con-2, Dex+2, Accuracy +4.3, MaxHP +492. Increase Darkness Resistance +8, increase hold resistance, increase atk spd. When all set items are enchanted by 6 or higher, P. Def. and MP regeneration rates will increase.

A weapon with AS Haste is preferrable, however I have found, that Crit Dmg is just as useful in 1vs1.

Weps : A grade - Soul Seperator Crit Dmg, S grade - AS Haste, S80 - Icarus Disperser Crit Dmg.

Solo PvP:
Make sure you have enough HP to challenge multiple enemies. Also make sure that you must able to run whenever you HP bar drops below 35%.
Take advantage on your skills to hide. Take advantage on your skills to evade the others. Attack only when you are sure that the enemy will go down.
Use your mind to take advantage when at 1 vs 1. Dagger classes are those which are played well by the most clever players.
Be sure to stick near to your opponent when he / she is at spawn, and don't give him / her a second to attack. Your speed is your gift.
Don't be a kamikaze. Rushing and dieing like a retard ain't making you great. It just makes your opponents' PvP count go up.
Learn when to run away to save yourself.
Learn when to stop running.
Learn when to go back.
Learn how to hide and hunt your enemy.
Let the others underestimate you.
Best augment for Solo PvP Would be P. Defence or M. Defence. Another good option would be Evasion / Accuracy / P. Attack.
Use Focus Power. Not Focus Chance.

Practice your movement. Be a constant threat to your target by moving around his / her back, making him / her nervous, making him / her move, lose his / her target and eventually die. Also, do that when dashed for better results. Last, this helps you with the damage, since you give x2.5 damage when hitting from behind of the target.
Be sure to give the 1st hit (Bluff / Critical Wound).
Enchant your Ultimate Evasion's Time and your Vicious Stance's Power.
Don't waste your Ultimate Evasion for nothing.
Play smart.
Choose the right buffs.

Mass PvP:

Main target is ALWAYS the Cardinal (if there is one).
If there is no Cardinal, the next target should be a Wizard with Active skill "Aura Flash". If there is no Wizard, neither Cardinal, the targets should be: 1st Dagger users / 2nd Archers & Dominators / 3rd Other Wizard Classes/ 4th Tank Classes (Titans, Duelists, Grand Khavataries, Hell Knights, Phoenix Knights, Eva's Templar's. Last 3 must be eliminated as the 3rd option if they exist).
Also, you stick close to the Cardinal, if there is 1 in your party
Else, you are the "Scout" of your party. This means that you are the one who will run to find enemies since you got high HP, high Evasion.
Bluff as the 1st skill, then Critical Wound, Lethal Blow, Backstab, Deadly Blow (Backstab should be used only when the target has his/her back turned to you. Else you just waste your usefull MP, which go down way too fast).
Be sure to check whether Critical Wound has landed or not. If not, hesitate and use it again, because its effects are usefull for any warrior damage dealer.
Stay on spawn according to your enemy. If there are Wizards / Cardinals / Archers, you can stay. If there are Tanks and Dagger users, let them make the 1st step towards death.
Lure the enemies. "Abuse" your speed to lure enemies towards your party.
Make sure you don't go way to far from your party. Your speed is a gift which must be used with technique. Else this can cost you your death, even the dissolvation of your party.
Learn who to chase. Archers can slow you, or can have speed equal to yours. Then they can kill you taking advantage on their range, which is 1000+. Chase an Archer only when you are sure that he will be the one to lick the floor. Always inform your party that you will be do some "hunting".
Make an assist macro, preferably in Party Chat (#Assist me on --> %target)
Be the main assist giver when you will be fast enough to be able to "watch" the PvP and when you will be fast enough to switch between targets.


Enjoy :)

IceCream
11-29-2008, 10:25 AM
good guide
i didnt know summoner set gives good stats like that
only problem for me is if i switch to summoner set it will suck for my archer and i use dynasty for archer and dagger

but the part where it says
solo pvp:
is mostly for TH, it wouldnt work with other dagger classes

Wish
11-29-2008, 10:28 AM
Wall of text

tl;dr

short version: F1-F9

Strack
11-29-2008, 10:30 AM
You missed out a bunch of stuff and your guide is very incomplete. What classes are daggers' primary target? When do you switch targets in PvP? Lethal - a daggers' last resort. Best weapon and SA choice. Comparison between s80 summoner and dagger master - because I don't agree summoner is better, on the contrary, the pdef of summoner sucks even when u add the pdef bonus of the +6 and there's no evasion bonus so archers will 2 shot any dagger in summoner robes. The +2 con is an extra 2 hits, hardly worth it if you get seal of hold every single time it's cast by an s80 dominator. Attack speed bonus on summoner robe? I always thought it's casting speed because i was thinking of using it for a healer. Double check please?

Buff set up - anything to say about that?

Overall, more work needed to complete the guide.

IceCream
11-29-2008, 10:33 AM
You missed out a bunch of stuff and your guide is very incomplete. What classes are daggers' primary target? When do you switch targets in PvP? Lethal - a daggers' last resort. Best weapon and SA choice. Comparison between s80 summoner and dagger master - because I don't agree summoner is better, on the contrary, the pdef of summoner sucks even when u add the pdef bonus of the +6 and there's no evasion bonus so archers will 2 shot any dagger in summoner robes. The +2 con is an extra 2 hits, hardly worth it if you get seal of hold every single time it's cast by an s80 dominator. Attack speed bonus on summoner robe? I always thought it's casting speed because i was thinking of using it for a healer. Double check please?

Buff set up - anything to say about that?

Overall, more work needed to complete the guide.

wow strack why do u care if the guide is incomplete. hopefully more noobs will follow this guide and make it easier for u to kill them

Sensational
11-29-2008, 10:38 AM
Updated some Mass PvP info. Strack, Its Dynasty LEATHER Armor Summoner.

EDIT: Please all feel free to suggest anything else, I will take it into consideration :)

IceCream
11-29-2008, 10:48 AM
if u wanna be l33t like me play GH

Strack
11-29-2008, 10:49 AM
There is no dynasty leather armor summoner. =) Dynasty leather armor can be dagger master, bow master, weapon master and enchanter, according to lineage2.com.

S80 armor (click me) (http://www.lineage2.com/news/kamael_07.html)

Maybe you know something we don't?

IceCream
11-29-2008, 10:53 AM
anyone know where i can see the stats of all dynasty armors?
like force master, summoner, etc

and i didnt know there was a "weapon master" but light armor

Sensational
11-29-2008, 10:54 AM
Ive played on a server for 1 year with summoner on dagger

Here is a website in russian :

http://baza-lineage.clanhall.net/item/Dynasty+Leather+Armor+Summoner


Please dont be a wiseass strack.

Official Drop/Spoil web :

http://l2.dropspoil.com/item/10214/dynasty-leather-armor--summoner.html

Strack
11-29-2008, 10:59 AM
I wouldn't be if your guide was accurate. And I don't think I'll believe a random lineage 2 fan website compared to lineage2.com. If it says there is no dynasty leather summoner then there isn't unless you show me screenshots from retail. What do I care though... Hope the guide is usefull to somebody and thanks for putting the effort into writing it. =)

Wish
11-29-2008, 11:00 AM
Please dont be a wiseass strack.

Official Drop/Spoil web :

http://l2.dropspoil.com/item/10214/dynasty-leather-armor--summoner.html

That's not official, which renders it custom!

Strack's link is official.


Stubbornness = -1 to boob dude

Sensational
11-29-2008, 11:05 AM
Look at the system req of L2 at their web. That hasnt been updated since c1.

They dont put a lot of effort in their web.

NOTE * We are L2J, not Retail. There are no mana pots in retail, yet here there are.
Just because its not on official web, doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

Wish
11-29-2008, 11:15 AM
Which makes it custom

Sensational
11-29-2008, 11:46 AM
The Dynasty Leather Armor - Summoner Chest is in GM shop and therefore can be crafted.

Kratos
11-29-2008, 02:23 PM
Guys... don't believe everything you read on lineage2.com

That site is notoriously useless at maintaining up to date information.